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| "Rabble-Rouser's" New Film Includes "Slippery Logic, Tendentious Grandstanding, And Outright Demagoguery." |
This is typical of the left to choose the cloud over the silver lining. I find it humorously ironic that Moore uses Limbaugh's agent, I mean, that's funny! And why not use the tools that work? We already know that we never get anywhere without access to money and if Moore creates a better life for his family through (gasp) making money, it seems he'll have more time and resources to fight the right, right? Give us a break. While pointing out the truth is never wrong, I ask how we can expect any progressive movement when we just shoot ourselves in the foot.
Hey, I voted for Gore too but I sure wished he'd moved closer to Nader's politics.
Now that I know what some bitter Dems think I feel much less loyalty toward those pushing sour grapes, and I don't want to feel like that.
Moore is a step in the right (left) direction. let's not sling arrows. Sheesh.
-Kerry Swinney (Part of that Vancouver crowd that got in to hear Michael Moore)
Vancouver BC
Politex, I have been reading your web site daily for the past year and a half - I thought I could find one Web site to get honest news information. You are now attacking Michael Moore -- which is wrong. I am now second guessing your Web site's agenda. I will now read the BBC and Gardian directly for news that reports the facts. Good-bye.
Reading the BBC and Guardian first-hand sounds like a good idea to me, but it has little to do with Bush Watch, one way or the other. I am not "attacking" Michael Moore, but it's clear some of the people who have supported him in the past are upset with him. On the other hand, some of the people we have posted are supporting Michael Moore, and Bush Watch was one of the first to post articles about this Spring's Rolling Thunder political meetings, of which he is a part. One way of the other, I don't think your respons has anything to do with "facts," since you don't call us to task for a single "fact." Further, I have no idea from your note why you think posting something negative about Michael Moore is, by definition, "wrong." Unlike the rest of us, is Michael Moore behond reproach? The bottom line, then, is if you can't take anything negative about what you believe in, you will stop reading anything from that source. However, that would include the BCC, the Guardian, the New York Times, the Washington Post, etc. Thus, why you pick on Bush Watch and think you will get your "facts" from similar sources is beyond me. Should I "second guess" YOUR agenda? thanks and best wishes, jerry politex
Isn't it bad enough that the Right wing nuts pollute the airwaves and media outlets on a daily basis with virulent lies and hate mongering of Left Wing advocates. Now we have Bush Watch feeding on its own kind...... LEAVE MICHAEL MOORE ALONE !!!! No Wonder the Republican nut jobs run the country...progressives are too busy feeding on their own. A VERY disappointed reader.
Brian Glennon
Michael Moore Visits Vancouver, April 23, 2002 by Lisa Kadonaga The good news is -- despite delays crossing on the ferry from Swartz Bay, I managed to get to the Vogue Theatre on Granville Street by 5:30, when they were starting to hand out the (free) tickets to see Michael Moore. The bad news is -- the back of the lineup was in front of the theatre. It literally went around the block, three or four abreast. Comparing notes later with another onlooker, we estimated that even though the Vogue's capacity was about 1100 people, they made it only halfway down the line, doling out one ticket per person, before they had to turn people away. This is quite a good turnout, considering that 1) there was a major hockey game in town that night, and 2) many of the students at the colleges and universities have already finished their exams and left town to work or travel. From what I've heard, this kind of response is typical of Moore appearances, so if he's coming to your town, be sure to leave plenty of time if you want a seat. Although I didn't get in to see the main part of Mike's talk, there were at least sixty of us still outside the theatre when he arrived, and we managed to sing a (surprisingly on-key) rendition of "Happy Birthday" (he turned 48 today). Mike spent a few minutes out there, answering questions and signing books. I've heard that in other cities, he's done something similar, because he feels bad about people coming all that way and not being able to get inside. (Others told me that they'd driven several hours, from places like Mission and Chilliwack, and I doubt I was the only one there from Vancouver Island.) He mentioned that this was the 46th city on his "Stupid White Men" tour, and he had been in Oregon and Washington earlier that week. He sounded a bit hoarse, but seemed to be holding up pretty well, joking with the spectators that "only the people who had no life would arrive early enough to get tickets" -- and that in any other situation, he'd be out there on the pave! ment with us, "the slacker nation". Mike's talk lasted just over two hours. I'd guess that he showed some video, possibly from the new movie he's working on, because when I slipped inside as people were leaving during the question-and-answer session afterwards, the computerized projection system was still on. He talked with the crowd for at least another half-hour, noting that based on what he'd seen while touring through more than a dozen states this year, "the US is starting to get a clue". He believes that the post-September goodwill that the White House received, from fellow Americans as well as from other countries, has been "abused by Bush and his cronies", citing Enron as only one example. He said it's become evident that the agenda of this administration "is not the agenda of average Americans", who are far more sympathetic to liberal ideas than the corporate elite who now control the government. When one audience member asked him if he believed that Bush would be re-elected in 2004, Mike answered in the negative. He's hoping that the Democrats will call for a special prosecutor to investigate the linkages between Enron and the administration, and that both Bush and Cheney will be forced out of office. In response to a question about what he thought of the untimely death of James Hatfield, author of "Fortunate Son" (a critical look at the life of George W. Bush) -- Mike noted that someone at every appearance so far has asked about this. Most of the audience appeared to be unfamiliar with the Hatfield story (give us a break, we're Canadians!), so rather than go into details, Mike told us that he was encouraged to see that Hatfield's work is not being forgotten. (Apparently somebody -- though not him -- is working on a documentary based on this book.) He added, only partly in jest, that he is extremely grateful for the "protective force field of librarians" who raised enough of a ruckus when the publisher (Harper Collins) threatened to destroy copies of "Stupid White Men" after Mike refused to rewrite the book, to make it less critical of the Bush administration. One spectator said she was losing hope that things will turn around, but Mike remained upbeat to the end, insisting that people have already begun turning around, both in Canada and the US -- "it's up to us to organize them". As proof, he noted that except for a late-night appearance on Bill Mahar's show, he hasn't appeared on the main broadcast (non-cable) networks yet, and has not received much attention from the mainstream print media -- but "Stupid White Men" managed to reach the top spot on the New York Times bestseller list regardless, due at least in part to word-of-mouth, Internet discussions, and the alternative media. Various people asked him for advice on what could be done, about general political action as well as the specific situation in British Columbia (where the right-wing "BC Liberals" hold 76 out of 79 seats in the provincial legislature). Mike urged people to put their money where their mouths are -- get politically active, even running for office themselves if they can't find anyone they can get behind. He cited his own experience as an 18-year-old high school senior, who campaigned for and won a seat on his school board in Flint, Michigan. He believes it's possible for a relatively small group of progressives to exert a major influence on the local scale, because the turnout for political party meetings is usually small. (I've noticed this too -- many riding associations may have only a couple of dozen active members who are running the organization, and this is even more true for provincial/state and municipal politics.) Mike announced that he's donating his cut of any books sold during this tour (which he estimated at about 10-12$ of the cover price) to charities, such as organizations that are providing social support to the laid-off workers in his hometown of Flint. Given that British Columbia is reeling from a wave of layoffs in the public, forestry, and high-tech sectors, the crowd applauded this news. They also cheered when he told them he'd be back for the Vancouver International Film Festival later this year. At this rate, somebody had better put dibs on BC Place, because they're going to need a bigger venue. I hung around after the crowd had left -- Mike stayed in the lobby, gamely signing books, videos, and DVD's, even though he must have been exhausted. After having escorted a friend on book tour a few years ago, I know it can be gruelling. (I used to believe that I'd never wish this fate on another human being, but I might make an exception for high-ranking members of the Bush Administration.) It says a lot about Michael Moore, that he'd spend his birthday among strangers, with his publisher not exactly providing lavish support for this tour. I got to talk with him, briefly -- he smiled when I handed him a copy of his "Roger and Me" video, and when he heard that it was a gift for a friend whom I'd met through his website (www.michaelmoore.com), he not only signed it but wrote her name and "Librarians Rule!"
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